Second take is often better the first one is pephars more polished in the sense of mentally prepared and giving what you wanted to give or say or do. Whereas, the second one, after the tension of the first is released, that performance is over, it’s easier to be who you are. I love the tea house atmosphere. The conversational style. The depths that are reached in meetings like these, where you hear each other above the din of background voices, and which contain moments, gems, that you’d like to remember. You all sound so real, like I was sitting at the same table! A lovely revealing candid podcast . I’m so glad you came back with this one, Dave.